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Crystal6
Crystal6
Mythical creature?
Jun 1 2012, 5:39 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 1 2012, 5:39 AM EDT
Do... prophets count as mythical creatures? They're humans after all.

Besides even history books generally agree that Jesus existed, at the very least. This is kind of like calling George Washington a mythical creature and giving him an article... (perhaps using stories of his leadership as proof that he has super powers.)
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FlipFlopRagDoll
FlipFlopRagDoll
1. RE: Mythical creature?
Jun 1 2012, 8:15 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 1 2012, 8:15 PM EDT
He's more of a mythical person.But if him being real is the case then he's just a legendary prophet.I guess somebody had to create Christianity and convince thousands or millions convince to convert to it. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Utisz
Utisz
2. RE: Mythical creature?
Jul 5 2012, 1:48 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2012, 1:48 PM EDT
Paul created Christianity as we know it, there was a Jesus movement prior to Paul but this Jesus was more of an ideal the perfect man that members chose to emulate.

No historian claims to verify that Jesus really existed; all historians and true Bible Scholars state that he is a historical character in the fact that he impacted history, but they all agree that to prove that there ever was a man named Jesus who actually played out the role in reality is impossible.

The Fact is Jesus is the ideal man/god created by many thinkers and philosophers over 2000 years and continues to evolve to this day.

Each of his followers creates and ideal image of him in his own mind and each person even those influenced by their priests and preachers have a unique perspective of him that is different, in some cases subtle differences from any other persons concept of him.

References: Take the time to read some of these books written by believing Christians including priests.


1) “Jesus An Historian’s Review of the Gospels” Michael Grant
2) “Jesus Through The Centuries” Jaroslav Pelikan
4) “Born of a Woman” John Shelby Spong
5) “Resurrection, Myth or Reality?” A Bishop's Search for the Origins of Christianity John Shelby Spong
11) “An introduction to the New Testament” Raymond E. Brown
12) “A Marginal Jew” Rethinking the historical Jesus (Volume I) John P. Meier
13) “A Marginal Jew” Rethinking the historical Jesus (Volume II) John P. Meier
25) “The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” Edward Gibbon
28) “Who Wrote the New Testament?” The making of the Christian Myth Burton L. Mack
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Posted Anonymously
3. RE: Mythical creature?
Jul 5 2012, 2:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2012, 2:40 PM EDT
"Each of his followers creates and ideal image of him in his own mind and each person even those influenced by their priests and preachers have a unique perspective of him that is different, in some cases subtle differences from any other persons concept of him.
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I do not understand. Doesn't everyone have a unique perception of pretty much every person in existence? There are probably people who would tell you that Hitler was merely mislead, while others may think he is the anti-christ, or a horrible insane criminal. People having different opinions of a person doesn't make them mythical.

How does everyone having a different perception of him change anything?
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Posted Anonymously
4. RE: Mythical creature?
Jul 5 2012, 10:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2012, 10:57 PM EDT
its impossible to prove he existed because he Rose from the Dead and Ascended into Heaven and is now seated at the Right Hand of The Father and he will come again to Judge the Living and the Dead and his Kingdome will have no end 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

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5. RE: Mythical creature?
Jul 6 2012, 12:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 6 2012, 12:22 PM EDT
"its impossible to prove he existed because he Rose from the Dead and Ascended into Heaven and is now seated at the Right Hand of The Father and he will come again to Judge the Living and the Dead and his Kingdome will have no end"
At school (regular, non-christian, public school) we were taught that he existed and was a religious teacher but that when he died he was said to have rose again. Thus I thought most people (or historians) believed he existed as a human teacher but that the argument came when people discussed rather or not he was who he claimed to be. (Which would be as you said. God incarnate)
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GTdyno13
GTdyno13
6. RE: Mythical creature?
Jul 6 2012, 11:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 6 2012, 11:28 PM EDT
"<SPAN>He's more of a mythical person.But if him be<SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="magenta">in</SPAN><SPAN>g real is<SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan"><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan">the </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>case<SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan">the</SPAN></SPAN>n he's just a legendary prophet.I guess somebody had to create Christianity and conv</SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="magenta">in</SPAN>ce thousands or millions conv<SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="magenta">in</SPAN>ce to convert to it.</SPAN>"
Jesus is not a prophet He's the Son of The Lord God
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GTdyno13
GTdyno13
7. RE: Mythical creature?
Jul 6 2012, 11:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 6 2012, 11:34 PM EDT
"<SPAN>Jesus is not a prophet He's<SPAN><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan"><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan">the </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>Son of<SPAN><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan"><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan">The </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>Lord God</SPAN>"
a Prophet is someone like Matthew Mark Luke and John or "The Prophet Isaiah"
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Posted Anonymously
8. RE: Mythical creature?
Jul 7 2012, 10:12 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 7 2012, 10:12 PM EDT
"Jesus is not a prophet He's the Son of The Lord God"
Isn't he both? Dictionary.com says a prophet is: "a person who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspiration."

So he is technically a prophet. He performed miracles but so did Moses,and most would not claim he is a mythical creature.
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GTdyno13
GTdyno13
9. RE: Mythical creature?
Jul 7 2012, 10:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 7 2012, 10:40 PM EDT
"Isn't he both? Dictionary.com says a prophet is: "a person who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspiration."

So he is technically a prophet. He performed miracles but so did Moses,and most would not claim he is a mythical creature."
No 1. hes way more powerful than a prophet and 2. He is the Son of the Lord God which puts him above all other prophets ever to exist and 3. He didnt preach the Word of God he Lived out his Life as The Lord Gods Son and lived according to God and performed Miracles and Healed the Sickk.... We are all Mythical Creatures because The Lord God is our Creator and we were made from Dust (Adam was made from the Dust of the Earth and Eve was made from 1 of Adams Rib) so when we die we will become a part of the world again as our original Form which was Dust
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GTdyno13
GTdyno13
10. RE: Mythical creature?
Jul 7 2012, 10:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 7 2012, 10:49 PM EDT
"No 1. hes way more powerful than a prophet and 2. He is the Son of the Lord God which puts him above all other prophets ever to exist and 3. He didnt preach the Word of God he Lived out his Life as The Lord Gods Son and lived according to God and performed Miracles and Healed the Sickk.... We are all Mythical Creatures because The Lord God is our Creator and we were made from Dust (Adam was made from the Dust of the Earth and Eve was made from 1 of Adams Rib) so when we die we will become a part of the world again as our original Form which was Dust"
No 1. Hes the Son of the Lord God so that puts him above all prohpets ever to exist... and He Spoke one Behalf of God he didnt Preach about God
and 2. we are all mythical creatures because The Lord God made Adam from the Dust of the Earth and he made Eve from one of Adams ribs
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GTdyno13
GTdyno13
11. RE: Mythical creature?
Jul 7 2012, 10:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 7 2012, 10:59 PM EDT
"No 1. Hes the Son of the Lord God so that puts him above all prohpets ever to exist... and He Spoke one Behalf of God he didnt Preach about God
and 2. we are all mythical creatures because The Lord God made Adam from the Dust of the Earth and he made Eve from one of Adams ribs "
And Jesus had Followers... The 12 Apostles and his Disciples
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Posted Anonymously
12. RE: Mythical creature?
Jul 9 2012, 4:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 9 2012, 4:11 PM EDT
"And Jesus had Followers... The 12 Apostles and his Disciples"
I'm not arguing that He is greater then a normal prophet. I'm arguing that He isn't really a mythical creature. Using dictionary.com again, a mythical creature is "a monster renowned in folklore and myth" and, son of God or no, He isn't really any sort of monster. He is God in human flesh. There are no super natural properties about his flesh itself except apparent healing powers. .But even that doesn't seem to be flesh based it seems to be spirit based, as his Disciples gained the ability too when visited by the holy spirit.

Even if you stretch the word monster to include particularly menacing humans, Jesus himself doesn't really do anything menacing. The most violent He ever becomes is when He chases some salesmen out of a temple, hardly monster quality material.
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GTdyno13
GTdyno13
13. RE: Mythical creature?
Jul 9 2012, 6:20 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 9 2012, 6:20 PM EDT
"<SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="magenta"><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="magenta">I'm </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN>not arguing that He is greater<SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan">the</SPAN></SPAN>n a normal prophet.</SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="magenta"><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="magenta">I'm </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>arguing that He isn't really a mythical creature. Using dictionary.com again, a mythical creature is "a monster renowned in folklore and myth" and, son<SPAN><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="lime"><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="lime">of </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>God or no, He isn't really any sort<SPAN><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="lime"><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="lime">of </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>monster. He is God in human flesh.</SPAN><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan">The</SPAN></SPAN>re are no super natural properties about his flesh itself except apparent healing powers. .But even that doesn't seem to be flesh based it seems to be spirit based, as his Disciples gained<SPAN><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan"><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan">the </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>ability too when visited by<SPAN><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan"><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan">the </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>holy spirit.</SPAN></SPAN>

<SPAN>Even if you stretch<SPAN><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan"><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan">the </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>word monster to include particularly menacing humans, Jesus himself doesn't really do anything menacing.<SPAN><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan"><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="cyan">The </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN>most violent He ever becomes is when He chases some salesmen out<SPAN><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="lime"><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="lime">of </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>a temple, hardly monster quality material.</SPAN></SPAN>"
IDK im just Stating Facts about Jesus hes obviously The Son of God and he Obviously existed years ago the question of him being a mythical creature is simply opinionated to the point of what exactly is a mythical creature whether it being a creature with Divine Powers or simply a creature someone has imagined in their own imagination
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14. RE: Mythical creature?
Jul 9 2012, 7:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 9 2012, 7:16 PM EDT
"IDK im just Stating Facts about Jesus hes obviously The Son of God and he Obviously existed years ago the question of him being a mythical creature is simply opinionated to the point of what exactly is a mythical creature whether it being a creature with Divine Powers or simply a creature someone has imagined in their own imagination"
I guess? Also this page sorta has nothing on it. I'm not sure why it exists.
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GTdyno13
GTdyno13
15. RE: Mythical creature?
Jul 9 2012, 8:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 9 2012, 8:00 PM EDT
"<SPAN>I guess? Also this page sorta has nothing on it.<SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="magenta"><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN id=dtx-highlighting-item dtx-Highlight-BackgroundColor="magenta">I'm </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>not sure why it exists.</SPAN>"
True i thought id find a lot more interesting material seems like someone just wanted to make a page about something they were interested in and put it together by themselves in like a week or something like that and its not really a guide more like a discussion forum thats y i put up some facts that i had already known cause some people were posting very ignorant material that they deemed to be true in there own mind for whatever reason
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vampirejediknight
vampirejediknight
16. RE: Mythical creature?
Jul 17 2012, 10:09 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 17 2012, 10:09 AM EDT
"At school (regular, non-christian, public school) we were taught that he existed and was a religious teacher but that when he died he was said to have rose again. Thus I thought most people (or historians) believed he existed as a human teacher but that the argument came when people discussed rather or not he was who he claimed to be. (Which would be as you said. God incarnate)"
Yes, this is the accepted history. Generally.
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