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Logic_Chair
Logic_Chair
20. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 4 2012, 4:15 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 4 2012, 4:15 AM EST
"We should love and respect all religious beliefs"
"Except christianity"
"Yeah, **** those guys"
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freedragon10022
freedragon10022
21. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 5 2012, 3:30 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 5 2012, 3:30 PM EST
"Well I have a reason for not liking them all the time... They literally burned my people alive.."
true. but that was the way of things then. you kill them, they survive, they kill you. it was the norm,
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Lord-Valentine
Lord-Valentine
22. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 6 2012, 8:00 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2012, 8:00 AM EST
Except for how the druids were like... "Hey guys welcome to britain, we'll just be over there, wait, why do you have torches???" Do you find this valuable?    
freedragon10022
freedragon10022
23. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 6 2012, 8:05 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2012, 8:05 PM EST
not quite. rome had reached as far as britain you know? its not very widely known but there were some christian hunts there too. at any rate, yes it wasnt reasonable, but to back then, it was the norm. No use condemning dead men. Do you find this valuable?    
Lord-Valentine
Lord-Valentine
24. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 7 2012, 12:46 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 7 2012, 12:46 PM EST
Very very true... and well played sir I might add!! Do you find this valuable?    
freedragon10022
freedragon10022
25. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 13 2012, 12:39 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 13 2012, 12:39 AM EST
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26. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 14 2012, 12:42 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 14 2012, 12:42 AM EST
Wow, even as an esoteric christian, this is retarded. Obviously the author (off the orginal article) has done no research into magick at all. Well no fault on him I guess, its a culture thing. @Lord Valentine; I have to disagree with you. Christians had nothing to due with the inqusition. The mindless sheep that followed the vatican did. Half of the time most people didn't even think things like crusade = bad (according to the words of our own prophet [you'd think the vatican would at least tell them that, nope]) or to treat other as you would be treated. Hell he (Jesus) didn't even say to not practice magick, he said we should avoid making christanity look bad (Which we did anyways, but I digress). Lolz sorry got into a bit of a rant. take care yeall. Do you find this valuable?    

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27. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 14 2012, 12:49 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 14 2012, 12:49 AM EST
a good debate, I am impressed both sides sound logical and consise, I feel like a troll...... Do you find this valuable?    
Lord-Valentine
Lord-Valentine
28. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 14 2012, 8:14 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 14 2012, 8:14 AM EST
"Wow, even as an esoteric christian, this is retarded. Obviously the author (off the orginal article) has done no research into magick at all. Well no fault on him I guess, its a culture thing. @Lord Valentine; I have to disagree with you. Christians had nothing to due with the inqusition. The mindless sheep that followed the vatican did. Half of the time most people didn't even think things like crusade = bad (according to the words of our own prophet [you'd think the vatican would at least tell them that, nope]) or to treat other as you would be treated. Hell he (Jesus) didn't even say to not practice magick, he said we should avoid making christanity look bad (Which we did anyways, but I digress). Lolz sorry got into a bit of a rant. take care yeall."
Guess who THE MINDLESS SHEEP THAT FOLLOW THE VATICAN ARE!!!!! THEY ARE CHRISTIANS, DOTH THOU EVEN HEAR THINE SELF!!! FOOL. EVERYONE CAN STOP THIS PATHETIC ARGUMENT. THE INQUISITION WAS ENTIRELY PERPETUATED BY CHRISTIANS WHO BURNED MY PEOPLE ALIVE... SIMPLY DUE TO JEALOUSY AND THE FACT THAT CHRISTIANS WEREN'T TOLERATED IN ROME, DOESN'T MEAN THEY WEREN'T TOLERATED ELSEWHERE.... I RELIZE THAT THE CHRISTIANS ARE TRYING TO DEFEND THE ACTIONS OF THEIR FOREFATHERS, BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE (pun absolutely intended) JUST ACCEPT THEIR ACTIONS.... THE SO CALLED "CHRISTIAN HUNTS" ARE COMPLETELY OVER EMBELLISHED AND WERE OVER LONG BEFORE BOTH THE INQUISITION AND THE BURNING TIMES BEGAN!!!!! LEARN YOU FACTS AND FREAKIN ACCEPT HISTORY FOR WHAT IT IS, DON'T TRY TO DEFEND THOSE THAT DID EVIL THINGS, I'VE LET DEAD MEN LIE, YOU TOO SHOULD FOLLOW MY EXAMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lesionia
Lesionia
29. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 14 2012, 10:25 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 14 2012, 10:25 PM EST
I have to agree somewhat. They were not the original chirstains (followers of Jesus)
Unfortunely the Roman Cathlioc Church went after any religon that used magic, magick, or mystisim. including the original chiristains. So not all chirstains were evil. Plus they did have a reason though that reason was lost in time.
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Lord-Valentine
Lord-Valentine
30. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 15 2012, 11:30 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 15 2012, 11:30 AM EST
No not all christian are, or were, evil. The reason it was done is fear, ignorance, greed and jealousy. I'm sorry if I at all insulted anyone, I just get worked up about my heritage ( My family were among the last druids, and theres always been one witch or wizard in every generation). For me this is like semi nazi sympathizers arguing with a jew about their holocaust. This is mine, and I AM NOT trying to say that the people arguing on behalf of christians are in any way like Nazi's or Nazi sympathizers. Do you find this valuable?    
Lesionia
Lesionia
31. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 18 2012, 11:32 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2012, 11:32 PM EST
okay, Im not agruing, but agreeing with you. Do you find this valuable?    
Lord-Valentine
Lord-Valentine
32. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 27 2012, 7:42 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2012, 7:42 AM EST
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vampirejediknight
vampirejediknight
33. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 27 2012, 12:12 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2012, 12:12 PM EST
"I am sorry, but that is a highly objective and one-sided view of the argument. The exact opposite can be argued. A warlock is a perfectly usable term that has been coined proudly by many and is still used to this day. If anything, I have talked with some who refer to themselves as warlocks and feel that they are underrepresented and placed as a foot not in historical archives and blind sided in several stories. A Warlock has several definition, one of which is, as you have mentioned, a witch or wizard that betrayed his or her fellow conven (group of witches and wizards) to the Cristian witch hunters during the burning times. A DIFFERENT definition of a warlock is (usually) a male sorcerer, which utilizes arcane powers through a medium such as a wand, staff, or his own hands, to channel magic while being knowledgeable in the arts of potion making and in the fields of arithmetic, chemistry, and alchemy.

Additionally, There HAVE being recorded cases in which worship of malign essence, often connected to satanism, have been related to magic. That said, it does NOT mean that all practitioners are devil worshipers. It is just a simple statement that there have been cases in which they have been, or instances in which they have been related. The fact that YOU yourself or others you might not are not worshipers of [insert here an entity of your choice] does not mean that others have not. s for Christianity, well, everything is arguable when it comes to religion isn't it? And I would have to disagree with you definitely on the fact that there are no spirits, angels, God(s), or demon(s). Now, be it as it may, weather you decide to look upon my comment with disdain and disgust, or whether you decided to look upon it with a tactical and analytical mind and are willing to think upon it, it is up to you. I have read your comment and given it though, and I hope you do the same on to mine. "
Thank you!
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vampirejediknight
vampirejediknight
34. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 27 2012, 12:14 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2012, 12:14 PM EST
"Actually I see your argument as sophisticated and very intellectual... I, personally, am very insulted by the term warlock. For the bit on demons, spirits and gods, I know they exist, I have the second sight and as a Goetic practitioner and Wizards, deal with demons and spirits all the time. I don't have anything against Christianity, but my people and myself personally have suffered at their hands and personally I thought that the information was copied from one of those websites that was written by an uniformed moron. The original meaning for the term Warlock is a betraying witch and I know people that use it today for a male practitioners. Unfortunately it seems like many people, (including myself until you made me think,) think of these people as amateurs. Thanks for bringing up some more of these points, I'm not going to lie, as a Wizard I was a bit insulted, especially since members of my family were among the last of the druids. This last comment was very good and I apologize if I insulted anyone, I did not mean to do this by any means, Thanks. -Valentine"
Thank you also.
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vampirejediknight
vampirejediknight
35. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 27 2012, 12:21 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2012, 12:21 PM EST
My thoughts:

"Witchcraft" is a touchy subject because, in the end, it all comes down to how you use the terminology. All the different cultures, languages, and pop-culture fictions have confused the terms to the point where two people can argue based on their defininitons of thing when really they are making the same point.

For example, If I call "witchcraft" "evil," I would be speaking of witchcraft from the Biblical perspective, magic of demonic origin, probably used for ones own gain. Someone else, using witchcraft to mean "any 'pagan' or 'mystical' practices and supernatural arts" could then call me an ignorant motherf*cker, when in actually we might both agree that the kind of witches to which I was reffering are scum.

Same with the word 'warlock'. One person might be offended by it, another might use it for any mystical or paranormal dabbler, even a "fortune teller" at a carnival.

So, it's all about how each person chooses to use the terms, as there is no clear definition.
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vampirejediknight
vampirejediknight
36. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 27 2012, 12:23 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2012, 12:23 PM EST
"It wasn't until people began to get out of that primitive fear and horrors of the past that the Christians began to back off from the "Lets kill all that oppose us" approach.
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Many still haven't, they're just worried about the law.
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Lord-Valentine
Lord-Valentine
37. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 27 2012, 1:08 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2012, 1:08 PM EST
From Wikipedia- " The term warlock in origin means "traitor, oathbreaker". In early modern Scots, the word came to be used as the male equivalent of witch (which can be male or female, but is used predominantly for females).[1] From this use, the word passed into Romantic literature and ultimately 20th-century popular culture.
The commonly accepted etymology derives warlock from the Old English wǣrloga meaning "oathbreaker" or "deceiver."[2] A derivation from the Old Norse varð-lokkur, "caller of spirits," has also been suggested;[3][4] however, the Oxford English Dictionary considers this etymology inadmissible.[5]" As you can see, It's an insulting term... People that use it for themselves are ignorant of it's meaning.... It is insulting to me and many people besides me... It is a term that is used as a great insult, not as a way to identify oneself... I'm just saying, This article isn't politically correct, not to mention ignorant, most people do know that the male version of witch is WIZARD, not Warlock...
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Lord-Valentine
Lord-Valentine
38. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 27 2012, 1:09 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2012, 1:09 PM EST
And you're right... If it weren't for the law Many many people would've tried to burn me alive... 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

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39. RE: Witches and the W word
Mar 18 2012, 2:03 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 18 2012, 2:03 AM EDT
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