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Lord-Valentine |
Witches and the W word
Jan 27 2012, 1:39 PM EST
For starters, the term Warlock is incredibly rude, disrespectful and derogatory. It is magical practitioners N word. It is a terrible word and should never be used. This word was used for a witch or wizard that betrayed his or her fellow conven (group of witches and wizards) to the Cristian witch hunters during the burning times, essentially our holocaust during the middle ages when Christians brutally wiped us out and murdered our children by the millions just because the fathers of the church couldn't do anything half as miraculous as magic, and were thereby scared and jealous of it. Secondly, as my comrade above said, most of this is crap. The absolute lie that any witch or WIZARD worships satan is BS. I am a Wizard and I'm not even wiccan, I DO NOT worship anything, no devil or God or anything, so that's obviously false. This stems from Christianity's foul and bitter lies, born of jealousy and hatred. There is no such thing as hell for starters, and there is no devil, no satan. Satan is sanskrit for adversary, the title given to Lucifer after he fell from grace, and the word Satan is never once used in the bible (excluding some folk bibles, but those don't even remotely count).
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1. RE: Witches and the W word
Jan 28 2012, 1:59 AM EST
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I am sorry, but that is a highly objective and one-sided view of the argument. The exact opposite can be argued. A warlock is a perfectly usable term that has been coined proudly by many and is still used to this day. If anything, I have talked with some who refer to themselves as warlocks and feel that they are underrepresented and placed as a foot not in historical archives and blind sided in several stories. A Warlock has several definition, one of which is, as you have mentioned, a witch or wizard that betrayed his or her fellow conven (group of witches and wizards) to the Cristian witch hunters during the burning times. A DIFFERENT definition of a warlock is (usually) a male sorcerer, which utilizes arcane powers through a medium such as a wand, staff, or his own hands, to channel magic while being knowledgeable in the arts of potion making and in the fields of arithmetic, chemistry, and alchemy.Additionally, There HAVE being recorded cases in which worship of malign essence, often connected to satanism, have been related to magic. That said, it does NOT mean that all practitioners are devil worshipers. It is just a simple statement that there have been cases in which they have been, or instances in which they have been related. The fact that YOU yourself or others you might not are not worshipers of [insert here an entity of your choice] does not mean that others have not. s for Christianity, well, everything is arguable when it comes to religion isn't it? And I would have to disagree with you definitely on the fact that there are no spirits, angels, God(s), or demon(s). Now, be it as it may, weather you decide to look upon my comment with disdain and disgust, or whether you decided to look upon it with a tactical and analytical mind and are willing to think upon it, it is up to you. I have read your comment and given it though, and I hope you do the same on to mine. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Lord-Valentine |
2. RE: Witches and the W word
Jan 29 2012, 11:23 PM EST
Actually I see your argument as sophisticated and very intellectual... I, personally, am very insulted by the term warlock. For the bit on demons, spirits and gods, I know they exist, I have the second sight and as a Goetic practitioner and Wizards, deal with demons and spirits all the time. I don't have anything against Christianity, but my people and myself personally have suffered at their hands and personally I thought that the information was copied from one of those websites that was written by an uniformed moron. The original meaning for the term Warlock is a betraying witch and I know people that use it today for a male practitioners. Unfortunately it seems like many people, (including myself until you made me think,) think of these people as amateurs. Thanks for bringing up some more of these points, I'm not going to lie, as a Wizard I was a bit insulted, especially since members of my family were among the last of the druids. This last comment was very good and I apologize if I insulted anyone, I did not mean to do this by any means, Thanks. -Valentine
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Jan 31 2012, 1:03 PM EST
You say you have what you call "second sight" which i imagine is not too different from my sight of madness which has been in my family for decades due to a curse placed on us by a demon known as ashura. The sight of madness is a curse that shows the true nature of something or someone allowing me to see things for what they truly are, this includes peoples auras, flow of magic. Part 2 of the curse is that the mind slowly deteriorates or becomes warped as you get older making the surrounding creatures unbearable for our minds to hold, my father is currently in an insane asylum and my mother has gone into a depressed state.
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Jan 31 2012, 2:04 PM EST
I am very sorry to hear that. Infact I've heard of the curse, but not as a generational curse. Very interesting. It's really not that different, no... How long ago was this curse placed?
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Jan 31 2012, 2:35 PM EST
"I am very sorry to hear that. Infact I've heard of the curse, but not as a generational curse. Very interesting. It's really not that different, no... How long ago was this curse placed?"i think it could go as far the renaissance Do you find this valuable? |
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Jan 31 2012, 11:03 PM EST
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"Actually I see your argument as sophisticated and very intellectual... I, personally, am very insulted by the term warlock. For the bit on demons, spirits and gods, I know they exist, I have the second sight and as a Goetic practitioner and Wizards, deal with demons and spirits all the time. I don't have anything against Christianity, but my people and myself personally have suffered at their hands and personally I thought that the information was copied from one of those websites that was written by an uniformed moron. The original meaning for the term Warlock is a betraying witch and I know people that use it today for a male practitioners. Unfortunately it seems like many people, (including myself until you made me think,) think of these people as amateurs. Thanks for bringing up some more of these points, I'm not going to lie, as a Wizard I was a bit insulted, especially since members of my family were among the last of the druids. This last comment was very good and I apologize if I insulted anyone, I did not mean to do this by any means, Thanks. -Valentine"Christianity did have a dark time, that much is a fact. However they did have their reasons for it, however irrational they may seem now. Now, I wont go into details because it would make for a very long read, but anyways, you do have a point in that area. thank you for being rational. I understand your point of view also. it is rare to meet someone who will actually read things with patience and intelligence rather than idiocy and ignorance. Pleasure to make your acquaintance, I am freedragon, pleased to meet you. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Feb 1 2012, 2:04 PM EST
Very pleased to meet you freedragon I am the Wizard Valentine... Blessed be as my people say.
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Feb 1 2012, 2:05 PM EST
That is very bad... Have you ever been visited by a demon continously?
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freedragon10022 |
9. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 1 2012, 9:41 PM EST
No, the second sight and the sight of madness are different in a key point: What they observe.While the sight of madness unveils all underneath the superficial and the lies and masks, the second sight views fate and distance. Do you find this valuable? |
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Feb 2 2012, 7:45 AM EST
Its Ruth . I appreciate you sticking up for the witches and warlocks. ^-^. Its nice to know that we have others who will defend us though we may or may not need it. But still its nice.
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Feb 2 2012, 8:25 AM EST
I see demons, spirits, fairies, the dead, gods, all sorts of things. I've always been able to, My "Imaginary Friend" as a kid was a demon.
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Lord-Valentine |
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Feb 2 2012, 8:28 AM EST
Sorry that was me.. Forgot to log in...
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Lord-Valentine |
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Feb 2 2012, 8:28 AM EST
Very true... Are you a witch?
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Lord-Valentine |
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Feb 2 2012, 8:32 AM EST
"Christianity did have a dark time, that much is a fact. However they did have their reasons for it, however irrational they may seem now. "What did you mean they had a reason? Do you find this valuable? |
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freedragon10022 |
15. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 2 2012, 3:03 PM EST
well... Its hard to explain from a modern point of view, but not so much from a more primitive physiological point of view. This might be a bit long, but I think its necessary to make my point.In the beginning, when People began to follow Jesus, it wasn't much of a problem, right? He was just a nice guy who did good things. As it goes on, he (and by proxy his followers) begins to be targeted by the dominant elite and and many cultural groups. So far so good right? So, "Christians" of the time (I say "Christians" because they didn't refer to themselves as a religious group separate from the Jewish until a few centuries later) Christians had to be careful with who they talked to and such, but they still had a good amount of freedom and relatively worry free. Then things start turning ugly. Jesus is crucified and people connected to him are more openly shunned and vulnerable. Alright, that doesn't sound TOO bad. And it isn't compared to other things that could have happened. But then Christianity starts to spread after Jesus comes back from the dead. At first its not a big problem, but then The elite and the dominant religious groups of several areas start becoming aggressive with them for several reasons. Jews seeing them as betrayers, and other religions as dangerous heathens or even demons. Alright, thats starting to become bad. And then things go STRAIGHT down hill. As in "Free Falling" straight down. Why? The Romans. I think it was Nero, the Cesar of the roman empire at the time, who set fire to a large chunk of Rome so he could make space to build things for his entertainment (don't quite remember what). The Romans, being quite advanced for their time, put two and two together and started to get angry at nero. But the willy bastard did something smart: He blamed the Christians. It wasn't hard. They were already mistrusted by most everybody in the Roman Empire (continued...) Do you find this valuable? |
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Feb 2 2012, 3:17 PM EST
and they didn't have much protection, plus they were a very small group. It wouldn't be hard to imagine that if he could blame them, he could actively persecute them and get rid of them, AND get his building projects underway and get away scott-free, killing two birds with one stone. So, of course, the famous Roman Christian Hunts began. And pretty much every culture and religion under the Roman rule followed suit. This means that everyone from the Romans to the Persians to to the Nordic people were pretty much playing "Hunt the Christian." Weather they did it out of fear to the Romans or out of their own free will, it meant nothing to a Christian. They were still trying to kill you, whatever your motives may be.Now lets fast-forward a couple of centuries. Despite the adversity towards them, the Christians flourish in all of Europe, becoming an official religion and a religious group of significant size and power, so things are starting to look up for them in that front. By now, the Roman empire is pretty much gone, decimated by rebellions and wars. People now begging to ease off with the Christians some what, but conflicts still happen. The Christians have now several centuries of experience of being persecuted and living in constant fear, but now that they have some power, they begin to construct defenses for themselves. Fast-forward a few decades now. The Christians are now a majority in Europe and is a significant group in the Middle East. Well, Now that they have power, but they still fear that they will be persecuted again. Its not very hard to see why, and its reasonable that they fear it after centuries of it. So far so good right? Well, as is the nature of humans, they try to eliminate any threats to their survivals. Being as primitive and Narrow minded as they were (and admittedly stupid too), they came to the conclusion that, if they eliminated other cultural and religious groups, (continued....) Do you find this valuable? |
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Feb 2 2012, 3:27 PM EST
Particularly those that had hunted them, they wouldn't have to fear being attacked irrationally again! Well, sounds like it could work from their point of view. The problem was that virtually every culture and/or religion that had had contact with the Romans had take part in going after the Christians. The result? A giant Christian counter attack. Witch Burnings became the talk of the day, Castles were raised, forts were erected, walled cities sprung up in valleys, Knights fighting heathens became heroes, the Crusades formed, and a good chunk of the church became power-drunk and lashed out at anything that so much as hinted that they disagreed with the church (which in their eyes translated to a threat of a group that would try to attack them again, or take away their power). To compound the problem, the masses couldn't read, even many knights couldn't. So if the one of the power-drunk extremist Christians said that such and such groups were evil and needed to be eliminated for X reason, they would buy it and they would do it.It wasn't until people began to get out of that primitive fear and horrors of the past that the Christians began to back off from the "Lets kill all that oppose us" approach. This is the basic concept of why and how the Christian Church did what it did. The reasons were actually very simple: 1. Fear 2. Resentment 3. Sudden rise to power (while they still hadn't had time to let all hard feelings die) If any of these had not been present or different, I can bet you that the world would have swung in a very different direction. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Lord-Valentine |
18. RE: Witches and the W word
Feb 3 2012, 12:06 PM EST
Well I have a reason for not liking them all the time... They literally burned my people alive..
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Lord-Valentine |
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Feb 3 2012, 12:06 PM EST
so yeah... whatever, If you overlook that, then they're great
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