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1. RE: does God exist
Jan 8 2011, 7:01 PM EST
you should then read the bible
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2. RE: does God exist
Jan 8 2011, 7:08 PM EST
then you would find out do it
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3. RE: does God exist
Jan 10 2011, 11:26 PM EST
Yes he exists. Proof #1: no scientific explanation, other than the existance of intelligent designg (a God (or gods)which created all), can completely explain how the universe began (for example what was before the big bang, what created matter, what caused the big bang to be triggered, how was time created if at a sub atomic level time is virtually non existent?, etc).2nd proof: the speed of Han evolution. Humans, according to the Darwin theory, evolved from monkeys, however the calculated amount of speed for which it should have taken us to evolve to humans should have been, in the best of cases, five times longer than what it took us, and what's more, humans, in the 1,000,000 years of their existence, have gone from midd-bottom of the food chain to the very top, and the speed of their development is way to fast. In theory, it should have taken us atleast 700,000 years to have a community halfway as developed as the early days of ancient Greece, and to reach our tiredly point in history it should have been 6,590,000 years or so. There isn't any scientific reason, other than somehow our brains and bodies were already super developed (meaning evelved way ahead of their time) by someone or something since the behind of human history. There us many more proofs, but this should keep you buissy enough for a while. 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: does God exist
Jan 15 2011, 1:54 PM EST
We can't prove that God exists. It would be a logical paradox.God exists through faith. If we prove he exists, we're not putting faith in him anymore. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: does God exist
Jan 16 2011, 5:07 PM EST
Interesting points.Firstly, you argue that intelligent design is how the world was created, but there are two intelligent design arguments. there is the idea that the universe shows elements of design. Take a stopwatch for example, it is clearly put together by a designer, by looking at a stopwatch you can tell it must have been designed. The same is evident with the universe there is aspects of the universe that shows clear designs . For example gthe earth could have been positioned in litterally infinite areas of the solar system. But it was designed to be placed just at the right distance from the sun to support life. It must have been designed. And this designer must be god. There is no other possible being who it could be. I can't remember the other design argument i will try and remember it and post it. A counter to the argument is however that the world was simply made this way by chance, If you was to deal a pack of cards to you and 4 friends you would each end up with a set of cards. The chances of getting those cards are so low you will probably never achieve it again. Yet you did deal those cards didnt you, it just so happened that this time the cards fell like that, the same applys to earth, this time the planet supports life the universe supports life, but whats to say that thousands of times before this there were universe's that couldnt support life. We simply cant. I cant tell you if God exists you have to decide that, I can only help by giving you some philosophers thoughts on the matter. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: does God exist
Jan 16 2011, 5:24 PM EST
Lets start with the assumption that God does exist. The first thing we need to ask is what evidence of this do we have? Some will say it says in the bible, some will say in faith, some will say visions spirits and dreams of god. I refuse to accept this as evidence as what I deem to be evidence is actual proof of it in front of me. Therfore If we were going to take my view the evidence we have gathered for gods existence is none. In reply to this many believers will argue that we can not be allowed to have physical proof of god because this would mean we would lose faith and commit sin knowing we can replenish our sins before death and go to heaven. Personally i would behave better knowing there was a heaven. Another reply would be look at the bible it speaks of god and his work. I say but look at wiki pedia i can write anything I want, so could they. Next lets look at arguments for god existence as opposed to evidence. There is the one I posted above which is the design argument, I think I mixed the two together. There is the argument from analogy by Payley and another one which focus' on certain parts of the univers showing aspects of design, I think I confused the two together and made no sense but if you google William Payley on God and the world, I'm sure that will help. The other design argument i cant remember whos theory that was its been a while since i studid this. But Google intelligent design it should help. Basically what it boils down to is non believers say that gods existence can not be proved the existence of god is unfalsifiable and therefore not a true hypothesis at all. The believers reply with well how can you be sure of anything?
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7. RE: does God exist
Jan 16 2011, 5:42 PM EST
Decartes is the philosopher who faces the task of explaining can we be sure of anything. I will speak as if I am Decartes, this is what he says.I will assume nothing. I amgoing to sit here and try and discover something I can be sure exists. Well how can I be sure I am sat here right now, how can I be sure I exist, this chair I sit in exists. He concludes he can't, I could be dreaming How can i be sure I am not dreaming. But sureley even when I dream I can be sure that 2+2=4. Am i wrong to believe this. its rational thinking 2+2=4. But What if a malicious demon is decieving me. How can I be sure that a malicious demon is decieving me. I simply Can't claims Descarte. Therefore I can't be sure of anything the demon could allways be decieving me. No this is not the case. 'I am thinking therfore I exist' 'cognito ergo sum' Therfore I can be sure I exist i can not be sure of what form whether I am a brain in a jar or a human as i percieve myself to be or for all I know a sheep. I just know I think so I exist. I can be sure of one thing I exist That is it. No not quite. Descarte says I can be sure of one more thing. And this is the existence of God. You see God is all powerfull all loving and all knowing. He would not decieve us, Therefore he exists. THE NEXT PART DESCARTE DID NOT PUBLISH IT WAS IMPLIED IN THE LAST CHAPTER OF HIS BOOK BUT NOT OFFICIALLY SAID. What then is to say that the demon from my dream is not God. If I ca be sure of only two things, my existence and Gods existence then whats to say God is not the demon. However the counter to this that God would not decieve us or create anything with the ability to decieve us. Therfore the demon is independent to God if he exists at all, we can not be sure of his existence. However God would not deceive us, then I have dissproved the idea that God has created, he may exist but he did not create us because we can decieve one another so God can not have createed us. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Jan 16 2011, 5:49 PM EST
Another criticism of Decartes is he says he will not assume anything yet he assumes god is all powerful or loving and all knowing and that he shall not decieve. Another theory is God exists because God if he was going to exist would be all powerful all loving and all knowing, he would be perfect. And as existence is a property of perfection he must exist therefore God exists. The counter to this is I have a red car with shiny tyres. By saying this I describe the car, by adding I have a red car it has shiny tyres and it exists, I add nothing to the description therefore existence can not be used in the same sense as all powerfull, or perfection. something can be perfect but not exist, like a weekend with Cheryl Cole, could be perfect but aint gonna happen. THerfore existence is not a property of perfection. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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9. RE: does God exist
Feb 22 2011, 6:33 AM EST
don't believe that God exists. Surely he'd look after his 'children' better? There is no physical proof that God does or doesn't exist. For all I know, the Bible could be just written by smart, philosophical people who understand the concept of virtue.
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10. RE: does God exist
Feb 25 2011, 7:25 AM EST
Whats the cance that rocks banged together in space and then created the earth? I mean I didnt evolve from monkeys because then all the monkeys at the zoo would start having baby humans
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11. RE: does God exist
Mar 2 2011, 9:49 PM EST
Ok, last to comments, do you even watch discovery or animal planet, and Monkeys cant have human kinds, it happens over a long time.
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12. RE: does God exist
Mar 2 2011, 9:54 PM EST
bisides there are ligit references to the people in there like king dude who wanted to take a sensis around jesus b day
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13. RE: does God exist
Mar 16 2011, 6:30 PM EDT
God exist! Jesus exits! Holy Spirit exist! If you dont belive in him then this is for you: *Gasp!* Your a nonbeliver! 0-0
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14. RE: does God exist
Mar 17 2011, 4:20 AM EDT
God is an invention of man. Man could not explain why he was so special, so he decided that supernatural being(s) made them that way. Man feared death, so he concocted an afterlife to comfort his fellow man. Man could not understand why natural disasters occurred, so he claimed that the gods were angry. I could go on, but that wouldn't change any minds. There may very well be a supernatural force at work guiding the universe in the way that it sees fit; however I choose to believe that the earth and humanity are where they are for one simple reason, time.
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15. RE: does God exist
Mar 18 2011, 9:36 PM EDT
Mr. Anonymous, why do you need proof to belive?
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16. RE: does God exist
Mar 19 2011, 3:14 PM EDT
Yawn... did you know that 83% or so of all physicists believe in God? Apparently, the more you study phisics, the more it becomes apparent that everything is just to convenient, to complex, to organized to be random. The very Universe, its begining, its laws, and paradoxes are to all to...perfect, complex, and exact, not to mention many are undecipherable. For example: The chances of the MOST BASIC form of life being created by chance (i.e: With out a God, on a planet with a star that is just the right size, with UV protection, and just out of particles and crystals) according to just the probability of it occuring randomly (by it its self mind you. That is to say, it doesn't include the factors for its survival such as food, atmosphere oxygen, and the chances of formation of all that, and so on), assuming all the right particles and atoms are present at the right time, is roughly 10 to the power of 23. that is 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. Plus even the smallest and most basic life form would requiere 2300 nutrients just for its survival, without including reproduction energy or moevement or chances of the life form being randomly created right were the nutrents are, and the chances of the nutrients being created, and so forth. Thats just one of the many calculated chances of a SINGLE factor that has been ISOLATED so that it would be much smaller and simpler to calculate and examine. According to that, and many other such factors and calculations, the chances of this universe existing is technically Zero, however it exists. According to this, the majority of physicists and scientists believe in a God. If you wanted proof, there you have it. As for answering the Anon righat above me: You don't need any proof to believe. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Mar 19 2011, 10:47 PM EDT
Amen to that dragon.
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18. RE: does God exist
Mar 20 2011, 11:54 PM EDT
thanks. you'd be surprised what kind of estatistics you find out about from scientists... and the discovery and history chanels =P
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19. RE: does God exist
Mar 21 2011, 12:08 AM EDT
History channel kicks ass!
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