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Posted Anonymously
Its true existance.
Jan 16 2010, 12:33 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 16 2010, 12:33 AM EST
Bahamut is actually not a dragon at all, this depicting it as a dragon only came up in Dungeons and Dragons. According to arabic mythology the Bahamut was a fish. This fish was to be at such a size that no human could take in its entire sight. On the head of the fish is a bull which would take 3 days walking to see its entire body. On the back of the bull is a mountain -some say made of ruby- on the top of the maintain stands an angel, over the angel are 6 hells, above the hells earth, above earth 7 heavens 76  out of 85 found this valuable. Do you?    
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Posted Anonymously
1. RE: Its true existance.
Mar 6 2010, 2:36 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 6 2010, 2:36 PM EST
That sounds really awesome! Where'd you get the info? Do you find this valuable?    

Posted Anonymously
2. RE: Its true existance.
May 7 2010, 7:04 PM EDT | Post edited: May 7 2010, 7:04 PM EDT
Though this is true. more evidence of Bahamut being a dragon is represented that of him being a fish. He is not the same thing in Arabic culture because they do not depict him as a god. rather a symbol of their idea of the existences of heaven hell and earth. so he is a dragon. dnd bases most of their original work on real "mythological" creatures. though the newer ones are completely made off the top of their heads. Do you find this valuable?    

Posted Anonymously
3. final fantasy
Jul 4 2010, 2:03 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 4 2010, 2:03 AM EDT
i was playing final fantasy x and Bahamut is a Aeon and im really into mythology so i figured id google bahamut and in that game he is decripted as a dragon so just putting that out there
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Ebon_Moon
4. RE: Its true existance.
Jul 5 2010, 7:42 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2010, 7:42 AM EDT
"Though this is true. more evidence of Bahamut being a dragon is represented that of him being a fish. He is not the same thing in Arabic culture because they do not depict him as a god. rather a symbol of their idea of the existences of heaven hell and earth. so he is a dragon. dnd bases most of their original work on real "mythological" creatures. though the newer ones are completely made off the top of their heads. "
Please state, who or where, it says Bahamut is dragon. All sources say that it is but a similar being to the Behemoth, with the head of a elephant or hippo, and being a dweller of the deeps. I think you are just getting your ideas from Final Fantasy and dnd. Which by the way, does not base it's creatures on true myth, if it did, then liches would not be there, Ghouls would not be the undead form of a living cannibal, for in myth, they are not undead, rather demons of fire who just possessed a corpse, they were never alive. Beholders would not exist, Ogres would not exist, for Ogres are not a true mythical creature, no one anywhere believed ogres to be real, they were created by a author for a story. Oh the list could go on, about how dnd does not base it's creatures on real mythical creatures, simply taking a mythical creatures name and using it for something else does not qualify it as being based on a real mythical creature. i could take the word Dwarf and use it as a term for a Giant, it wouldn't mean it's right. Do you find this valuable?    
Dous777
Dous777
5. RE: Its true existance.
Jul 5 2010, 3:15 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2010, 3:37 PM EDT
Demons of fire? Apart from maybe the djinn 'ghul', I haven't found any origins for ghouls at all.

And ogres aren't real? Peculiar, considering many true mythical creatures are described as 'ogre-like' or said to be a type of ogre. Including the oni and the aigimuxa. Do you find this valuable?    

Posted Anonymously
6. RE: Its true existance.
Jul 5 2010, 4:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2010, 4:19 PM EDT
The ''Ghul' is the Ghoul as a translation into English, the demon of fire is indeed the Djinn. However it is not really undead, and could take many other forms, a star was named after the ghouls 'Algol' or "The Ghoul". No, Ogres were never a mythical creature, they were the brain child of writers, things are described as 'Ogre like' in term, due to peoples association with ogres now, for though they themselves were never believed to have existed, outside of stories, they are a very prominent symbol of brutishness, stupidity and malicious behaviour. Indeed, the earliest use of the word Ogre was in the late 12th century, in a French poem named Chretien de Troyes. The word itself is French, and seems to have more in common with the Troll than anything else. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

Ebon_Moon
7. RE: Its true existance.
Jul 5 2010, 4:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2010, 4:56 PM EDT
Forgive me, that Anon was me, i forgot that i was not logged in.
My books, do not include the usage of the term Ogre, for a singular being, rather, in modern times, unless one is referring to the fictional ogre, created in the 12th century. Te term Ogre, is now also a catch all term for any mythical creature which has brutish or unsavoury mannerisms, such as cave dwelling, cannibalism, being very big etc. And many creatures seem to be classed as an Ogre, including Trolls, some types of Giant, Oni and other creatures. Though i must say that i am mainly using published literature, and the authors could be wrong. Please, if i am wrong, make it clear to me. Learning new things from others is why i am here. Do you find this valuable?    
Dous777
Dous777
8. RE: Its true existance.
Jul 5 2010, 5:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2010, 5:33 PM EDT
Can't think of a reason why you should be wrong. Just interesting to discover. >_<

So ogre designations we should take loosely. Not reliable. I guess that's why the South African aigamuxa and South American kira-pura are so far apart.

Ah, yes. The djinn fire demon thing does make sense. So, does that mean the European graverobber ghoul and the Japanese kasha ghoul were intended to stem from a djinn origin also, d'ya think? Do you find this valuable?    

Ebon_Moon
9. RE: Its true existance.
Jul 5 2010, 6:04 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2010, 6:04 PM EDT
I am not sure, i have never heard of the Japanese one, you see you learn something new everyday. The Arabic one is a demon controlled corpse, move by a demon of flame. Did Europe have a ghoul? I know in England we called people who stole bodied from graves, ghouls. Tell me about the Japanese ghoul, i am interested in that now, hehehe. Do you find this valuable?    
Dous777
Dous777
10. RE: Its true existance.
Jul 6 2010, 4:01 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 6 2010, 4:01 PM EDT
Well how I originally knew the ghoul, as a simple graverobber fiend of the night, that's what I thought a European ghouls was. Like the Arabian, but without any mentions of demons and it coming back to life if you hit it twice.

The kasha in Japan is basically a ghoul who lives in a society that cremates its dead. The result being the ghouls will greedily snatch the dead before they are laid to rest; coffin and all.

For some reason half the sources I just found online are saying the kasha is a cat creature. I've never heard of that before. Do you find this valuable?    

Ebon_Moon
11. RE: Its true existance.
Jul 6 2010, 6:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 6 2010, 6:28 PM EDT
Hahaha, that is why i refrain from using the internet for accurate sources. Most of them are user generated things, filled with either misinterpretations or outright rubbish, i bet that you can search for a mythical creature, and find various descriptions for the same one, all telling you different things which have never been heard of.

It's just like this vampire nonsense, there are more types of vampire around today than there were a thousand years ago, not sure how that happened.
Anyway, the closest thing to a ghoul, i ever read about, was the Draugr of Norse folklore, which was a corpse, that rose from it's tomb and killed people only to feast upon their flesh and blood. The kasha sounds interesting though, it also sounds like something i might use for a creature in my book, stealing corpses so that they cannot be cremated.

Thank you for the information, and let's just ignore the information of the Kasha being a cat on the internet. hehehe. Do you find this valuable?    
Dous777
Dous777
12. RE: Its true existance.
Jul 7 2010, 4:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 7 2010, 4:11 PM EDT
I very much intend to until I have more than just the bare bones of the suggestion. ^_^ Do you find this valuable?    

Ebon_Moon
13. RE: Its true existance.
Jul 7 2010, 5:30 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 7 2010, 5:30 PM EDT
The things people post on the internet. Information seems to be woefully distorted and corrupted on it, perhaps it's because modern people take a lot of their mythical folklore from fiction, such as the amount of Vampires that seem to exist, all thanks to books like, Twilight, Anne Rice interview with a Vampire, Dracula, not to mention games like Vampire the Masquerade by White Wolf. It is good that people can take folklore and change it for their own tales, the only downside is that then, such tales become a lore in their own right and people can not tell if the information is correct or just made up. There are some pages on this site which have DnD creatures on them, such as the Drow page, oh and then there is the WoW Night Elf page... Do you find this valuable?    
Dous777
Dous777
14. RE: Its true existance.
Jul 7 2010, 5:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 7 2010, 5:43 PM EDT
It's what we have the 'Fictional Creatures' page for.

That is also the place 'Night Elves' will be found. By its placement there, the site is making a statement that said creature is not real. I should do the same with 'the Drow' now that you've brought it up.

I think some of the more iconic creatures from games, such as orcs and ents, do have a place here. If placed in that 'Fictional Creatures' category. However, I understand how it could get ridiculous.

A problem we have on here is ascertaining the validity of some entries. It would be nice if every once in a while the page creators would answer my summons and explain what their sources are... Do you find this valuable?    

Ebon_Moon
15. RE: Its true existance.
Jul 7 2010, 6:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 7 2010, 6:18 PM EDT
Indeed, that's when it gets confusing, these strange sources are hard to track down, like that 'Jan' thing, i'm still unsure as to what that is...

There is one thing iv'e been meaning to ask you, is this the correct site to place information on mythical heroes, ancient gods/goddesses and tales?

Just a curiosity. Do you find this valuable?    
Dous777
Dous777
16. RE: Its true existance.
Jul 7 2010, 6:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 7 2010, 6:34 PM EDT
Mythical heroes not so much. gods/goddess have been done before, so I'd say they're okay.

And mythical tales can be added to 'Legends of Lore'. Do you find this valuable?    

vincentclinton
17. RE: Its true existance.
Apr 21 2011, 5:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 21 2011, 5:00 PM EDT
Lmao yea I thought this site would at least filter some of the information put on here by a guy who has a vast knowledge of these creatures. Alas it is not. There is different categories though, at least a fictional creature could be made up by anyone. One thing I wanted to add was that Orges were from Japanese mythology. Though sources like DnD monster manuals, Tolkein's LoTR's creatures have been around for decades, most of them anyways and would give most a spot. On the other hand the races and classes from World of Warcraft meh no they just haven't earned their place. When that games dies so will the monsters, races etc. I can't believe I seen DK's on here haha. The Drow or dark elves, DnD got them from Norse mythology so did Stan Lee when he created Thor the comic. Though they were just dark elves. I could go on, but I won't. I thought I would find some invaluable info for my book, isn't much I don't either already know or they are just to wacky to consider. Coulda been a good site. Sorry it didn't work out. Do you find this valuable?    
freedragon10022
freedragon10022
18. RE: Its true existance.
Apr 21 2011, 5:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 21 2011, 5:53 PM EDT
Ogres is the the english equivalent of the japanese oni.
Though ogres aren't really "Ogres" because they are a derivative from troll and giant. In all likelyhood, rellated to English, French, and Roman roots of mythology. Do you find this valuable?